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The Being of the Beautiful: Plato's Theaetetus, Sophist, and Statesman Plato - Wikipedia Due to a lack of surviving accounts little is known about Plato's early life and education. The philosopher came from one of the wealthiest and most politically ... Plato Greek philosopher Britannica.com Platos works are traditionally arranged in a manner deriving from Thrasyllus of Alexandria (flourished 1st century ce): 36 works (counting the Letters as one) are ... Plato's Cratylus (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy) The formal topic of the Cratylus is correctness of names a hot topic in the late fifth century BC when the dialogue has its dramatic setting. Sophists like ... Plato and his dialogues: a list of Plato's works There are also a few epigrams that is short poems intended as funerary inscriptions or the like that have been transmitted to us in various ways under Plato's name ... Arete: The Greek Way - lancefuhrer.com The Biographies (Alphabetical) Copy and Paste to a word processing program to print. Alexander. Alexander the Great was born in 356 B.C. in the city of Pella Greek ... Interpretation: A Journal of Political Philosophy Back Issues: Interpretation: A Journal of Political Philosophy publishes 3 times a year. Issues are posted online Jan/Feb May/June and Sept/Oct. Phaedo - Wikipedia Phdo or Phaedo (/ f i d o /; Greek: Phaidn Greek pronunciation: [padn]) also known to ancient readers as On The Soul is one of the ... Plato (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy) 1. Plato's central doctrines. Many people associate Plato with a few central doctrines that are advocated in his writings: The world that appears to our senses is in ... Sophists Internet Encyclopedia of Philosophy The Sophists (Ancient Greek) The sophists were itinerant professional teachers and intellectuals who frequented Athens and other Greek cities in the second half of ... Plato: Theaetetus Internet Encyclopedia of Philosophy Plato: Theaetetus. The Theaetetus is one of the middle to later dialogues of the ancient Greek philosopher Plato. Plato was Socrates student and Aristotles teacher. Rank: #1982301 in BooksPublished on: 2007-04-15Original language: EnglishNumber of items: 1Dimensions: 9.00" h x 1.50" w x 6.00" l, 1.75 pounds Binding: Paperback592 pages 0 of 0 people found the following review helpful.very accurate translationBy suconggood translation and impressive interpretive essay. masterpiece of the great political philosopher Benardete.the triology marks the most important clue to the labyrinth of Socratic philosophy.9 of 13 people found the following review helpful.Life changing translations! Every Platonist must buy!By William HooperThese are literal translations for Plato experts and extremely hard to read. You will need to start by putting them side by side with Hackett and going very slowly. However, as the weeks and months go by you will gradually find them easier to read, and you'll end up leaving Hackett collecting dust almost all the time. Yes it's a big learning curve, but if you aspire to be a Plato guru, but can't read Ancient Greek, these translations could change your life.Let's go through some examples. First let's look at an example where Hackett shines and Benardete is a pain in the neck. Theaetetus, 178b, Socrates speaking...Hackett: I know it, my friend. But there is one accident to which the unjust man is liable. When it comes to giving and taking an account in a private discussion of the things he disparages; when he is willing to stand his ground like a man for long enough, instead of running away like a coward, then, my friend, an odd thing happens. In the end the things he says do not satisfy even himself; that famous eloquence of his somehow dries up, and he is left looking nothing more than a child.Benardete: I know it, be sure, comrade. There's one thing, however, that has befallen them. Whenever they have to give and receive in private an account (logos) of the things they blame, and they're willing in a manly fashion to put up with it for a long time and not to take flight in an unmanly way, then strangely-you extraordinary being!-they end up as not being satisfied with themselves about what they're saying, and that rhetorical (art) of theirs somehow or other shrinks up, so as for them to seem to be no different from children.There are two sides to Plato, the poetry and the math. One of the things that makes poetry work is the power of well written words to ring inside your soul, you can feel the images pulsing through your blood, thus altering your personality and making you a more beautiful man. In this example Hackett's translation lights up, but Benardete's translation is such a mouthful you risk ending up like one of these autistic types who can not see the forest for the trees, and your soul never catches fire.But now let's look at the math side. Theaetetus 154b, Socrates speaking:In Hackett: Well now, supposing such things as size or warmth or whiteness really belonged to the object we measure ourselves against or touch, it would never be found that that this object had become different simply by coming into contact with another thing and without any change in itself.In Benardete: Isn't it the case, then, that if that against which we're measuring ourselves or which we're touching were great or white or hot, it would never, in its fall on something else, have come to be something else, if, that is, it does not at all alter.Notice first Hackett changes the order of size, colour, temperature which is totally unnecessary and bohemian. Plato said democracy turned the Athenians into "cowardly, chattering money grubbers", and those psychodynamic concepts are structured in the classic Agamemnon, Achilles, and Odysseus pattern so vital to Ancient Greek Philosophy. Turning those words around and saying "money grubbing, cowardly, chatters" destroys the mathematics. I am afraid Hackett does this kind of thing very frequently.Yet it gets worse, look at this example carefully, by 'simplifying' out the double negatives the description of the whole concept is lost. What Plato is talking about here is the idea that if perception relates only to the active principle then all passive observers would report the same feeling, which contradicts the whole point of the wind that makes some very cold and some not so cold. The Hackett changes the whole sense around so we end up thinking Socrates is saying the argument is refuted by the impossibility of active object evolution, and that makes the Hackett translation both misleading and irrational.Until academics really understand Plato they are faced with an impossible dilemma - translate it like poetry, or translate it like maths - and Hackett has chosen poetry, and Benardete maths. Yet the truth is Hackett has a lot of big picture problems with its poetry too. The problem is that Plato uses a lot of very playful and very subtle allegory, and Hackett constantly delete his clues in order to simplify the text.Let's give an example, at 153d Socrates says windlessness and calm seas rot and destroy and the opposite preserve. He goes on to mention Homer's Golden chain, and says if the sun were to stop the world would be turned upside down. On the surface this is gobbledygook, everyone knows that if you wanted to preserve, for example, a boat you put into a barn you don't leave it floating exposing it to the elements. Was Socrates a hippy No, Socrates is never, of course, talking at the surface, he is always deep inside the world of Forms, and the link between the psyche and the surface often turns upside down. So think of his writing as a philosophical riddle, and your job is trying to figure out what the sphinx like Socrates was really saying. Now in this case you can figure it out relatively easily by thinking about the political war taking place throughout the dialogue, but often times these riddles are very hard indeed. What you need is to get as many clues as possible floating round you head and then try and dream about the problem at night and think about it over the course of a few days. But with Hackett the playful words that help you grasp Socrates' incantations are frequently edited out, and your mind is left barren and rocky.The Ancient Greeks didn't have a monopoly on wisdom, but I think Plato is arguably the only work of serious Ancient philosophy accessible to mankind because unlike Chinese philosophy it has lots of words, so unlike Chinese philosophy you don't end wondering whether you are making it all up like a man looking at ink blots. For example the Tao Te Ching says "Being and non-being create each other. Difficult and easy support each other. Long and short define each other. High and low depend on each other. Before and after follow each other." But that's just way too fast and enigmatic to learn philosophy, and no matter how hard to read Plato's Sophist is, it's way way better than that.When ones takes Plato very seriously these three dialogues, Theatetus, Sophist, Statesman are some Grade 8 level pieces that you gradually work toward. Modern academics say the Theatetus sits apart from the Sophist and Statesman, but I think they are written as a trilogy- think about the three gifts the gods offered to Paris and ideas such as uniting the opposites, defeating untruth, building utopia - wisdom vs knowledge, poetics vs acquisition, theoretical vs applied. For real Platonists, who are ready to start reading these advanced dialogues, I think Bernadete is, at least as far as I know, the only thing that stands between them and wasting many years of their life leaning Ancient Greek.The Bernadete commentaries which take up well over 50% of this book should, however, be avoided. A lot of these academics such as Russell and Benardete had a kind of unfortunate psychological reaction to Plato. The profound depth and mysticism of Plato's work drove them in the opposite direction and made them very cynical and shallow and hyper critical, they actually ended up hating Plato because they didn't understand it, and they dedicated their whole lives to discrediting it.Recall Socrates talking about comedians in the Philebus. He said comedians, think Aristophanes in the Symposium, are airy people whose self knowledge and insight into human nature makes them candidates for philosophy, yet he said the comedian is a sort of failed philosopher who has been tortured by his own lack of progress in understanding human nature, who has therefore in a sense succumbed to a sort of crisis of faith, and out of that self hating mental pain a sort of hideous kind of malice that lampoons everything divine develops.I don't actually think Bernadete is an airy type, he doesn't have the sensitivity to human personality that you see in comedians and actors, he actually reminds me more of Eryximachus. But the approximate effect is the same, his failure to understand anything Plato was saying, combined with virulent post-modern post-war urbane liberal atheism, created a sort of toxic condition that warped his soul. Imagine a Richard Dawkins commentary on the bible, this is not going to help you find god, it's going to hurt you, it's going to make the cords that tie you don in front of the cave wall stronger not weaker.Trust me nothing Benardete says is of any use at all, he completely misses the vitally important sexual intercourse allegory in the critical 156 - 157 section about the eye and which produces whiteness in the sides it is rubbing against. Nor does he talk even about surface layer, the debate between ideology vs pragmatism, yet he must have been familiar with the work of C S Pierce who talked about the being vs becoming of the Theatetus and invented the world pragmatism. Pierce started a war against moral compass intuitives by picking up on the idea that "the being of the beneficial exists in the future" (177d). Benardete isn't just a bad philosopher, he's also really bad at mythology and fails to pick up on any of the many references to Apollo. Eg Apollo and Artemis are brother and sister, Apollo brings down kool-aid drinking ideologists with existential plagues, Artemis brings down know it all geeks by confusing them with Socratic arguments. I say all this to prove to you how much you need to avoid Bernadette's commentaries if you want to be a real Platonist, they will rot your brain.Note to publishers: My friends I strongly suggest you consider my words here and strip the commentaries out. I think Bernadete is up there in heaven proud of his wonderful translations but rolling in grave trying to get you to pull the commentaries. Also the quality of the binding is poor, it's not academic quality, more like regular novel quality, and my book has split apart. And please put the footnotes on the same page like modern textbooks not in an appendix like a 1970s textbook. And please can you throw in Benardete's translation of the Symposium. I am sure if you do all that you will have a best seller.8 of 12 people found the following review helpful.BrilliantBy Jane M. WilfordBenardete's translation is very literal. His commentaries on each of the dialogues is insightful and his introduction that is a commentary on the major hippias is incredibly helpful.See all 3 customer reviews... Plato - Crystalinks Theory of Knowledge. Plato's theory of Forms and his theory of knowledge are so interrelated that they must be discussed together. Influenced by Socrates Plato was ... Phaedo - Wikipedia Phdo or Phaedo (/ f i d o /; Greek: Phaidn Greek pronunciation: [padn]) also known to ancient readers as On The Soul is one of the ... Plato - Wikipedia Due to a lack of surviving accounts little is known about Plato's early life and education. The philosopher came from one of the wealthiest and most politically ... Plato's Cratylus (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy) Bibliography Translations. Dalimier C. 1998 Platon Cratyle Paris: Flammarion. Fowler H. N. 1926 Plato: Cratylus Parmenides Greater Hippias Lesser Hippias ... Plato Greek philosopher Britannica.com Plato as a young man was a member of the circle around Socrates. Since the latter wrote nothing what is known of his characteristic activity of engaging his fellow ... Plato and his dialogues: a list of Plato's works The works that have been transmitted to us through the middle ages under the name of Plato consist in a set of 41 so-called "dialogues" plus a collection of ... Plato (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy) 1. Plato's central doctrines. Many people associate Plato with a few central doctrines that are advocated in his writings: The world that appears to our senses is in ... Plato: Theaetetus Internet Encyclopedia of Philosophy Plato: Theaetetus. The Theaetetus is one of the middle to later dialogues of the ancient Greek philosopher Plato. Plato was Socrates student and Aristotles teacher. Plato By Individual Philosopher Philosophy Philosophy: By Individual Philosopher Plato ... Plato (c. 428 - 348 B.C.) was a hugely important Greek philosopher and mathematician from the Socratic (or Classical ... Plato Internet Encyclopedia of Philosophy Plato is one of the world's best known and most widely read and studied philosophers. He was the student of Socrates and the teacher of Aristotle and he wrote in the ...
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